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Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.13 11:32:00 - [1] I used to run stealth bombers gang in pvp. I really like where you are going with these changes, cov ops cloak + range will definetly make these ships a viable choice for roaming pvp. I am sure it was mentioned before but would it be overpowered to have bomb lunchers use a non-luncher slot? Since they were introduced to the game I have never seen them used on tq except some random experiments or single kamikaze guys- I dont think its their range or cost that limits their use, its the fact that by fitting the third launcher you would boost the ship damage by 50% and since bombers arent exactly overpowered you can't really pass on that. - Gob
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.14 12:37:00 - [2] Originally by: CrestoftheStars Originally by: Saggy Glands Originally by: Gartel Reiman Originally by: Mirana Niranne Not sure what ship you've been flying but it's not a stealth bomber. Even as they are, you don't fly in close to a BS because light drones will smear you like a bug on a windshield (and last time i looked every battleship has the ability to field at least 5 light drones). I definitely agree that you wouldn't ordinarily want to go in close to a BS. However, you do something find Geddon or Mega pilots who like to take advantage of their drone bay and field 5 heavies... Everything you and others post seem to be best-case, not real world scenarios. Similar to that posted damage graph with a stationary target and only 40% resists. So basically we need to bring multiple bombers, along with tackle and recon support, just to kill a guy in a battleship who's afk, forgot to bring drones and doesn't have any friends in local flying a T1 frigate. Yeah we can now fire from outside of drone range at 100km, but watch our torpedos hit around 2 minutes later. So more can be added to our best case scenario of when a bomber gets a kill. That being, pray the battleship pilot hasn't trained thermodynamics and has a neut fitted and kills your recon tackler. If the intended target of these ships is solo battleships, and you cant engage any small gang who even has a modi***of small support, then these ships are a bucket of fail. I much rather roam with a HAC/Recon gang than a SB/Recon gang. All you BUT IF THE BS HAS NO DRONES scenarios be damned. Scrap this crap and just fix the current SB by giving it an explosion velocity bonus. this AND, have you tryid 5 heavies on the sb? they will rip you to pieces before you can harm the bs.. soo even here your death meat No there is a massive difference. A recon/hac gang will be more effective at engaging hostiles, but will get camped by a bigger force and forced to logoff or lose hacs while forcing their way out. This also means a recon/hac gang can be forced outside a system by a gatecamp. Cov ops cloaking bombers + recons do not have this limitation, altho of course they are weaker to enemy fire. The argument about drones ripping SBs apart is moot because if you know what you are doing, the bombers will never be in range of the drones and* scrambled. What kills bombers at range are snipers (hacs and pulsepocs), cerbs/drakes with precisions ammo, aswell as ceptors and vagabonds. After webbing nerf and torps over cruises, I think the real nemesis of a bomber/recon gang will really be vagas and ceptors because you have no counters to them. Cloaking bombers also make for excellent bridge camping tools. If you wanna make bombers more survivable, boost their base speed or sig radius. But I think ccpÆs idea is to make them glass cannons which is fine.
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.14 19:50:00 - [3] WOW awesome changes chronits you my fave (sorry jamesw should have worked harder on delivering that faction dominix!) DNS I think explosion velocity bonus would make them too uber, high dps should come in at the cost of extreme vulnerability, especially to ceptors/vagas. Chronitis: another reason pack of cloaked bombers are difficult to handle is they decloak each other while cloaked. Code-permitting, would it be possible to add one of the following: 1. cloaked ship no longer decloak other cloaked ships or 2. add a feature so cloaked ship position can be seen by other gang members. I dont know anything about coding but a small icon appears next to ships already when broadcasting "need reps" or "in position". Perhaps tweak that so it can be persistent for bombers - Gob
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.29 00:02:00 - [4] Gesus... ever heard of WEBS? - Gob
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.08 21:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Marlenus Edited by: Marlenus on 08/05/2009 14:56:07 Originally by: Dibsi Dei /thread Quoted for truth. And to save this post from being pure spam, I'll point out that lots of people are thrilled with the new bomber, we just aren't posting that fact over and over again in this thread like the folks who still aren't. In fact, in my alliance we are setting up a pool for how long it will be until people are starting "Nerf stealth bombers!" threads. Seconding (thirding) this. Bombs still need love tho, too complicated to use in regard to their effectiveness. - Gob
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.12 20:50:00 - [6] Originally by: RongYi Ok, Mr Troll, I'll bite. Please provide your statistics and KMs here. Also, let's provide me with some of your "great" FCs with excellent KMs on SB ops. Put up or shutup! https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=186564 https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=186565 Two full freighters killed at their own armed jump bridge POS together with their escort in a popular chokepoint system? You can scroll the rest of the killboard in the last weeks for good examples of effective stealthbomber use. - Gob
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Drahomi'r Bozi'dar Almost useless in low sec, cant fire bombs and cant gate camp or station camp because gate guns will drop you in a couple hits.. High sec wars they can be used but its mainly 0.0 for them now.. Yep we get great use of them now Right because the old bomber could survive sentry fire. - Gob

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